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		<title>By: Vern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Randy,

Right - globally the cancer is spreading. Here in Thailand AMWAY has set up shop. The poor Thais don&#039;t know what hit them. If you think it was successful in America, wait until you see this finely honed business hit developing nations! It&#039;s criminal. 

I have all these Thai friends, genuine from the heart... thinking Amway is going to be their savior and they&#039;re going to make enough money to retire as soon as they get all their friends to buy that junk from them. It makes me sick inside... 

America let the advertising industry, MLM&#039;s and sales people without respect for anything but their own greed run rampant. America is the land of freedom, and yet we all pay a price for this freedom. Intelligent people join together to build companies that are dedicated to manipulating people through social and psychological means... resulting in more sales.

I&#039;ve been through lots of sales training. I&#039;ve been at odds with much of it. There seems to be a state of complacency among ordinary citizens about letting advertising companies do whatever they please to create sales. It has driven our entire country from the industrial revolution. I don&#039;t see it as a good way to go... 

I think it&#039;s time we realize that a lot of people that can&#039;t afford to, are being led right into buying things that will have no positive effect on their lives or their future. I think it&#039;s time to say... that sucks, let&#039;s not let that happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Randy,</p>
<p>Right &#8211; globally the cancer is spreading. Here in Thailand AMWAY has set up shop. The poor Thais don&#8217;t know what hit them. If you think it was successful in America, wait until you see this finely honed business hit developing nations! It&#8217;s criminal. </p>
<p>I have all these Thai friends, genuine from the heart&#8230; thinking Amway is going to be their savior and they&#8217;re going to make enough money to retire as soon as they get all their friends to buy that junk from them. It makes me sick inside&#8230; </p>
<p>America let the advertising industry, MLM&#8217;s and sales people without respect for anything but their own greed run rampant. America is the land of freedom, and yet we all pay a price for this freedom. Intelligent people join together to build companies that are dedicated to manipulating people through social and psychological means&#8230; resulting in more sales.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been through lots of sales training. I&#8217;ve been at odds with much of it. There seems to be a state of complacency among ordinary citizens about letting advertising companies do whatever they please to create sales. It has driven our entire country from the industrial revolution. I don&#8217;t see it as a good way to go&#8230; </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s time we realize that a lot of people that can&#8217;t afford to, are being led right into buying things that will have no positive effect on their lives or their future. I think it&#8217;s time to say&#8230; that sucks, let&#8217;s not let that happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Duermyer</title>
		<link>http://www.incanswers.com/ebusiness-idiots/jonathan-mizel-is-part-of-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Duermyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vern - tell it like it is. Like you, I think it&#039;s time some of these people were exposed. Everybody has &quot;the answer&quot; to success - but it all comes down to the basics - satisfying a genuine need, providing a quality product or service, and treating your customers like gold. I&#039;m just not so sure this is limited to America though - we are in a global marketplace, as you know - and if others in distant lands haven&#039;t &quot;caught on&quot; already (actually, I&#039;ve seen them, so I know they&#039;re out there), in time they surely will. There&#039;s just entirely too much of this &quot;gaming&quot; nonsense going on - why? Because it&#039;s profitable for them - the gamers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vern &#8211; tell it like it is. Like you, I think it&#8217;s time some of these people were exposed. Everybody has &#8220;the answer&#8221; to success &#8211; but it all comes down to the basics &#8211; satisfying a genuine need, providing a quality product or service, and treating your customers like gold. I&#8217;m just not so sure this is limited to America though &#8211; we are in a global marketplace, as you know &#8211; and if others in distant lands haven&#8217;t &#8220;caught on&#8221; already (actually, I&#8217;ve seen them, so I know they&#8217;re out there), in time they surely will. There&#8217;s just entirely too much of this &#8220;gaming&#8221; nonsense going on &#8211; why? Because it&#8217;s profitable for them &#8211; the gamers.</p>
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		<title>By: Vern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offense, but you&#039;re wrong Carol. Perhaps you&#039;ve had a different experience with Jonathan, or did you? You didn&#039;t state whether you agreed with his obvious disregard for human beings while expounding the greatness of his system that sucks the money out of customers pockets. 

If you agree with it - you&#039;re part of the problem as well Carol.

Carol, there are a couple of different groups in the sales and advertising world. Some believe that anything goes is the right way to approach selling. I don&#039;t.

Jonathan&#039;s sensationalistic style of speaking may not belie what he really believes, but I&#039;m guessing these quotes match up quite well with what he believes.

I&#039;m lumping him in with Amway, and MLM schemes. Creating a system to milk the cash out of customers&#039; pockets is disgusting. What he could focus his energy on instead is showing people how to create great products that answer genuine needs that people have - thus increasing sales. In this time of economic hurt - nobody needs to listen to another one of these greed-driven egotists. 

Using the word &quot;prospect&quot; is a way of dehumanizing people to make it seem &quot;OK&quot; to take advantage of them. Because it&#039;s &quot;old as the hills&quot; doesn&#039;t make it right, and is a weak justification for using the word. Because someone has &quot;been around a very long time&quot; means nothing to me at all either. Time does not equal quality of character, nor is it justification for putting one&#039;s monetary greed ahead of the people interested in making their lives better (the ones some call &#039;prospects&#039;).

I wake up on the right side of the bed everyday Carol. This article is well within character for me, and apparently you don&#039;t know me enough to judge something like that.

We can all come up with 100 names of online marketers nobody should have ever heard of, but have. It&#039;s a function of what the world has become. 

I think it&#039;s time to call that gunk on the bottom of your shoe - gunk. I think it&#039;s time to call out those that don&#039;t have good intention for others. I think much of the sales game sucks horribly. Time to wake us all up to it.

&lt;em&gt;Are you part of the problem?&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense, but you&#8217;re wrong Carol. Perhaps you&#8217;ve had a different experience with Jonathan, or did you? You didn&#8217;t state whether you agreed with his obvious disregard for human beings while expounding the greatness of his system that sucks the money out of customers pockets. </p>
<p>If you agree with it &#8211; you&#8217;re part of the problem as well Carol.</p>
<p>Carol, there are a couple of different groups in the sales and advertising world. Some believe that anything goes is the right way to approach selling. I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Jonathan&#8217;s sensationalistic style of speaking may not belie what he really believes, but I&#8217;m guessing these quotes match up quite well with what he believes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m lumping him in with Amway, and MLM schemes. Creating a system to milk the cash out of customers&#8217; pockets is disgusting. What he could focus his energy on instead is showing people how to create great products that answer genuine needs that people have &#8211; thus increasing sales. In this time of economic hurt &#8211; nobody needs to listen to another one of these greed-driven egotists. </p>
<p>Using the word &#8220;prospect&#8221; is a way of dehumanizing people to make it seem &#8220;OK&#8221; to take advantage of them. Because it&#8217;s &#8220;old as the hills&#8221; doesn&#8217;t make it right, and is a weak justification for using the word. Because someone has &#8220;been around a very long time&#8221; means nothing to me at all either. Time does not equal quality of character, nor is it justification for putting one&#8217;s monetary greed ahead of the people interested in making their lives better (the ones some call &#8216;prospects&#8217;).</p>
<p>I wake up on the right side of the bed everyday Carol. This article is well within character for me, and apparently you don&#8217;t know me enough to judge something like that.</p>
<p>We can all come up with 100 names of online marketers nobody should have ever heard of, but have. It&#8217;s a function of what the world has become. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s time to call that gunk on the bottom of your shoe &#8211; gunk. I think it&#8217;s time to call out those that don&#8217;t have good intention for others. I think much of the sales game sucks horribly. Time to wake us all up to it.</p>
<p><em>Are you part of the problem?</em></p>
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		<title>By: Get the Story Straight! Funny Wanna Be Internet Marketer &#124; AimforAwesome.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Get the Story Straight! Funny Wanna Be Internet Marketer &#124; AimforAwesome.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Carol Darlington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Darlington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 06:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offense, but you&#039;re kind of putting your foot in your mouth when you say, &quot;I’m avoiding all people that agree with the mentality of Jonathan&quot;, because he is in reality a very responsible marketer.

Although some of his words you quoted rubbed you the wrong way (and you even object to the term &quot;prospect&quot;, which is just a generic sales term that&#039;s as old as the hills and means no disrespect to anyone), he&#039;s a very well-respected online marketer who&#039;s been around a very long time.

He used to have a paid newsletter I subscribed to, and it was some of the most non-hypey, responsible training around. IMHO he&#039;s &quot;one of the good guys&quot;.   You seem like a nice guy (I watched your intro video, I&#039;m jealous of you living in Thailand!) but maybe you woke up on the wrong side of the bed today? I don&#039;t know, this rant seems out of character for you.

Anyway, I could quickly  find you 100 names of online marketers who deserve to get trash-talked and have their name dragged through the mud more than this guy.  Just my 2 cents. (Or whatever the monetary equivalent is in Thailand)  :-)
Best of luck to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense, but you&#8217;re kind of putting your foot in your mouth when you say, &#8220;I’m avoiding all people that agree with the mentality of Jonathan&#8221;, because he is in reality a very responsible marketer.</p>
<p>Although some of his words you quoted rubbed you the wrong way (and you even object to the term &#8220;prospect&#8221;, which is just a generic sales term that&#8217;s as old as the hills and means no disrespect to anyone), he&#8217;s a very well-respected online marketer who&#8217;s been around a very long time.</p>
<p>He used to have a paid newsletter I subscribed to, and it was some of the most non-hypey, responsible training around. IMHO he&#8217;s &#8220;one of the good guys&#8221;.   You seem like a nice guy (I watched your intro video, I&#8217;m jealous of you living in Thailand!) but maybe you woke up on the wrong side of the bed today? I don&#8217;t know, this rant seems out of character for you.</p>
<p>Anyway, I could quickly  find you 100 names of online marketers who deserve to get trash-talked and have their name dragged through the mud more than this guy.  Just my 2 cents. (Or whatever the monetary equivalent is in Thailand)  <img src='http://www.incanswers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Best of luck to you.</p>
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